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                        did not respond positively internationally to the ideas that were put forward, but
                        I regard it as a very, very fine publication. There’re a lot of case studies that
                        showed lots of ways in which sufficiency economy is helping people. But, there
                        are many people outside Thailand in particular, of course, who regarded that as
                        being a capitulation to the forces of sufficiency economy, when they should
                        have been standing up against that.  I don’t agree.


                              Now, in 2006, as again, most of you know, Thailand chaired the Group of
                        77, which I confess now, I haven’t heard about prior to this. It was actually
                        the group that was of 77 countries that were the non-ally countries that
                        eventually became much bigger than 77. I think it’s 130 some countries now.
                        But, Thailand used that opportunity to promote sufficiency economy and I think
                        that was appropriate because that helped shape the sustainable development
                        goals, perhaps, or not… not because they’ve been approved in 2015, but it
                        helped shape the ideas about how we can achieve sustainability through ways
                        that introduce new ways of thinking. So, from what I can see with those
                        sufficiency economy when there is economic growth constrained and now I’m…
                        it’s very tricky, because economic growth can be defined by gross domestic
                        product as it often is. It was very problematic because increasing numbers of
                        people say and yet gross domestic product is still the measure by which growth
                        is being taken in many places, to my knowledge, all countries.
                              They measure gross domestic product. There are all kinds of problems
                        with that, just thinking about GDP as the measurement of growth. When GDP is
                        constrained, you have scapegoating, people identifying people, others, who are
                        unlike them as being responsible for their problems. And then that creates
                        less democracy as there is reaction against minority groups as there’s
                        encouragement to cut back, to even cheat on elections and so on. So, you
                        have a series of positive feedback loops that make things worse and worse.
                        But with sufficiency economy philosophy, even with no economic growth, you
                        can have more democracy because people can say there are ways that we can
                        deal with the problems we face that do not include trying to identify who the
                        problem people are.


                              So, I’m saying now that from my perspective, we are at the fork in the
                        road. We weren’t in the 1930s. There were big problems of unemployment,
                        so on. But, now, there is a fork in the road where we have reached what some
                        call the limits to growth and this is recognized increasingly in the public press
                        and in various documents produced by the United Nations and others, the                         0QFOJOH LFZOPUF BEESFTT
                        International Committee on Climate Control and IPCC, and so on. So I’m just
                        going to give a very quick little Canadian case study just to show you what I
                        think is an example, very recent example of how economic growth is on the
                        one hand, the basis for the welfare state. And what happened when it’s cut
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