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                    giving special autonomy to Aceh by forfeiting Islamic sharia as one indicator for
                    judicial Islamic is their reducing tension and conflict. So, they’re using violence against
                    the government in one side.


                          Again, one example Timor Leste, we offer Timor Leste by using public opinion.
                    The people of Timor Leste by President Habibie offered for the public opinion and
                    they as well largely agree that they want to be independent. Yes, Indonesia aware at
                    the time. If Indonesian at the time didn’t actually agree to comply the Timor Leste,
                    Indonesia will trap with the international conflict because this is accusing of the
                    human rights problem. This is one aspect.


                          So, in one side what we call negative peace could be defined as a way how
                    the political approach from the central government comply local demand, like Aceh in
                    the context of the sharia Islam. So, until at the moment, for judicial power, they
                    apply Islamic law, but of course still under the Supreme Court of national for
                    leadership.  This one side.
                          Another side is obstacle management. The role of religious leaders in Indonesia
                    is very important. But in practical way, in Indonesia is there any kind of formal
                    political approach? A judicial approach, Yes, of course, but the most important thing
                    besides the two forum we have also religious leader organizations. For example,
                    Islamic or Majelis Ulama or Ulema Council and then we have also the Catholic and
                    Christian Organization. And this three is leader. They have the three functions.


                          The first function actually to participate and to facilitate the people in order to
                    support the government program. Like in 1970s the government found it difficult to
                    implement birth control planning. The government lands the power or release the
                    power, Islamic release the power at the time to make a fatwa. And under fatwa
                    issued by the Majelis Ulama or the Indonesian Islamic Council, all the Muslim they
                    implement apply a birth, feminine birth control. So, in this context the Islamic religious
                    leaders at the time try to be a partner of government in strengthening and in making
                    easier implement program.

                          The second function of the religious leader also can mediate the conflict.
                    We have a lot of conflicts about halal food, bakso food. And it is very simple only by
                    demonstrating one Ulama, have food, mie or noodle. He call to one big factory
                    Unstrabaya in 1992. Professor Ibrahim just came with the Minister of Security at the
                    time to the big factory in East Java. They demonstrate to have food of bami, and he
                    said yummy! delicious! The people then repeat delicious in halal. And one day after,
                    all the Muslims actually then go in by to shopping. So, in one side actually a religious
                    leader can play important role to make a peaceful society. It is why up until the
           ª£¸›²£ª±¡¡™²¥¸h¡¢h­¢—µÈ     leader can lead the religious harmony in Indonesia. Of course, democratic system
                    moment, still, that the government keep the religious leader as a partner. The religious


                    working and this is in case without the religious leader, I think it’s impossible to
                    establish democratic system in Indonesia. Thank you very much, indeed.

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