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                     Philippines. When we decided to transfer our Internal Revenue Allotment shares from
                     national government to the local, we have a formula. Use the population… How many
                     are they? The land area, and equal sharing. That’s not the way to do it. We learned
                     that. The way you do it, because if you transfer it all that those who have will go
                     higher, those who have lower will also go higher, so, you still have the gap. So, what
                     we are suggesting, and I’m part of this movement in the Philippines, is we should
                     include poverty as an index. The poorer one should be given more, and the richer
                     ones, don’t give them. They’re rich enough. And that’s also part of our discussion on
                     decentralization. And apart from poverty, we can also use performance as an
                     indicator. When we talk about performance, sometimes, I say performance can have
                     some kind of substitution effect.  People at the lower level would say, anyway,
                     the money is coming to us. We just wait.  We will not work. So, it’s a substitution
                     effect. Point therefore, we should introduce, which I’m trying to do in the Philippines,
                     a poverty index, and also a performance index in the distribution of finances to the
                     local level.

                           Another point for decentralization is important of political will. Leadership is
                     important, discover leadership is important and changing and learning to let go. I’ve
                     said earlier, one major problem, one major obstacle to decentralization in not
                     institutions. It is our mindset. It is our paradigm. Many, many times, people at the
                     national government say, I am in charge, I will tell you what to do. And sometimes,
                     people at the local level say, we will not do anything, we will just wait for guidelines.
                     Changing the mindset is all about self-reliance, and also, I wouldn’t say self-
                     sufficiency. That’s what decentralization is all about. That’s why the importance of
                     capacity building.

                           I have ten more minutes, Mr. Chairman, right?


                           So, with decentralization, this morning we talked about the importance of It will
                     enhance transparency, accountability, the rule of law. I’ll now go to Philippine context.
                     But, as I said earlier, this discussion on decentralization, is not new. As the matter of
                     fact, other countries… I don’t know if my good friend, Agus, will correct me, but
                     others have actually wanted to separate. In Spain: as you know, Catalonia, Basque;
                     UK: Scotland, Northern Ireland; Czechoslovakia; in Canada: Quebec wanted to
                     separate; Indonesia: Aceh, Ambon, Timor; Thailand: I don’t know, Pattani. I don’t
                     know. Please forgive me. But, I’ve read about that some time back. I don’t know.
                     But my point is they wanted some kind of autonomy at one point. I might be wrong.
                     I’ve been to Pattani. But, I’m very careful speaking to all Thai audience.
                     The Philippines is even in the south.
                           My point is that we don’t look at them as movements to separate. We look at
                     them as movements as one more autonomy. And the way this can be addressed is
                     through the process of decentralize, decentralization, or decentralisasi.


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                     slide just talk about the experiences. Today, our Chairperson mentioned about
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