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                    It’s for our next generation. And for me, it’s for my three children, and just recently I
                    have a grandchild. I’m excited about it. But sometimes I worry. Is this the kind of
                    world we would like to leave them? But we have to sacrifice. We have to get
                    involved, otherwise, we will be talking about the same problem. We’ve been talking
                    about years back. I’m sure I heard this earlier. We are talking about the same
                    problem that we’ve been talking about before. It’s, have we gone forward? Perhaps,
                    we should. That’s why we should take a risk. Maybe we should tell this person, in
                    the Philippines, I should tell this person who’s stepping on my foot, please, you’ve
                    been stepping on my foot for some time now. We have to get involved. We have to
                    complain. But after having said that, I’d like to end in a positive note. It’s not that bad.
                    Because, yes, public sector reform is revolutionary. We’re moving in that direction.
                    We are learning from our mistakes. But, at the end of the day, we have to build
                    upon them. We push upon our democratization efforts. Sure, there are signs that we
                    just don’t keep on pushing, pushing, pushing, as they say, that, one step forward, two
                    steps backward. We have also to be strategic. We just don’t have to move forward,
                    forward. That, Mr. Chairman, is what I thought and, like I said, I’ll not presume to
                    teach but I’m just talking about the experience we have learned in the Philippines.
                    Some are good, and some are painful.  But, in the end of the day, it is not for us.
                    It is for the next generation. Kobkun Krub.


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                          Thank you.  Thank you for sharing with us, very strong message from you.

                          Next, Professor Agus, do you have anything for us.  May we learn from the
                    Indonesian experience, or other comments for us? Thank you.


                          Ok, thank you very much. Readiness is also a common issue in Indonesia.
                    The question is, who is not ready? The central government or local government.
                    People think that, actually the central government is not ready to decentralize  its
                    power. That’s why, then, it becomes the responsible of the central government to
                    make the power, otherwise, the local government cannot do anything. Once you give
                    the power to the local government, we cannot pull it again. Just continue.
                    The question is not about decentralization or centralization, but how to create proper
                    institutional arrangements. How to make it better arrangement, how we put the
                    manning, how to create the structure, how we improve the quality of personnel
                    and so on, and so on, and so on. So, it’s not about the question central or
                    decentralization, but what type of decentralization we have to create in a proper way,
                    in a proper situation for its region. Because they have different capacity. Of course,
           ª£¸›²£ª±¡¡™²¥¸h¡¢h­¢—µÈ     have to be involved in making policy. Right at the moment, we only talk about from
                    we have to educate people, that you have the power to control the government. You


                    the central government to provincial government or from central government to district
                    government. We haven’t talked about the role of people in managing policy, by
                    receiving power from the government.
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